Nuevo post sobre Atributos y Traits

[Lindil]

http://www.arena.net/blog/play-your-...and-attributes

Hey everybody, Jon Peters here with a look at how traits and attributes provide a deep level of customization to your Guild Wars 2 character. Put simply, attributes are characteristics that players can invest points into in order to increase their effectiveness. We have four basic attributes – power, vitality, precision, and toughness.
While playing the game, my fellow designers and I came to the conclusion that we wanted players to be able to customize the way their characters deal damage. Two of our four primary attributes – toughness and power – were serving double duty. Toughness improved heals, while power improved damage done by conditions. This essentially left us with two offensive styles: do more damage, or get more critical hits and react to their effects.
That wasn’t quite good enough. We wanted there to be at least four offensive play styles as well as more diversity of builds overall, so we added several new player attributes to mix things up. These new attributes differ from the four base attributes in that they are only gained by investing points into trait lines and through gear. The four base attributes of power, vitality, precision, and toughness may be increased through traits and gear, but they also automatically increase as you level.

Attributes

Let’s take a look at these new attributes and what they do. We’ve organized these attributes into offense, support, and profession-specific attributes.

Offense

• Prowess: Improves the damage multiplier on critical strikes.
• Malice: Improves the damage done by conditions like burning, poison, confusion, and bleeding.
• Expertise: Improves the duration of all conditions inflicted by the character.

Support

• Concentration: Improves the duration of all boons applied by the character.
• Compassion: Improves all outgoing heals that your character does, including self heals.

Profession-Specific Attributes

Each profession has a specific attribute that does something unique for each profession.

• Brawn (warrior) — Improves the damage of warrior burst skills.
• Willpower (guardian) — Decreases the recharge on all virtues.
• Cunning (thief) — Decreases the recharge of the Steal ability.
• Empathy (ranger) — Improves pet attributes.
• Ingenuity (engineer) — Reduces the recharge on all tool-belt skills.
• Guile (mesmer) — Reduces the recharge on all Shatter skills.
• Intelligence (elementalist) — Reduces the recharge of the four elemental attunements.
• Hunger (necromancer) — Increases the size of the necromancer’s life-force pool.

Combat Formulas

While we were looking into how comparable these new attributes were to precision and power, we found that power was far more valuable than any other attribute. The scaling was exponential, so if a player maxed out power, it would make 200 power equal to about 500 precision. We adjusted the scaling of power to be linear, and then raised base weapon damage for everyone. This gives players the ability to choose between builds that give high spike-damage critical hits, deceptively strong conditions, reactionary critical effects, or classic big-hit power, while remaining competitive with any of them.

We also added the new Healing attribute to take some of the pressure away from toughness being the most important defensive attribute and to create an additional option for players who wanted to emphasize a support role. These new attribute are not directly improved when a character levels up, but are instead part of item and trait customization.

Speaking of traits…

Traits

When we first introduced the trait system, it was a flexible way to modify your character that helped build late-game customization and differentiation between characters. The new trait system does the same but does so in a way that makes these decisions easier to understand as well as more character defining.

Trait Points

From level 11 to 80, you receive one trait point per level. This means that every level 80 character will be assigning 70 points to help define their character.

Trait Lines

Every profession has five trait lines, and every line has 30 possible points that a player could allocate to it. Each time you place a point into a line, it improves two of your character’s attributes. The pair of attributes that get improved varies based on profession. For example, an elementalist that puts points into water magic will increase their Vitality and Healing attributes.

The trait lines for each of the professions, as well as the attributes tied to them, are as follows:

Warrior

• Strength: Power and Expertise.
• Arms: Precision and Malice.
• Defense: Toughness and Compassion.
• Tactics: Vitality and Concentration.
• Discipline: Prowess and Brawn.

Guardian

• Zeal: Power and Concentration.
• Radiance: Precision and Expertise.
• Valor: Toughness and Prowess.
• Honor: Vitality and Compassion.
• Virtues: Malice and Willpower.

Thief

• Deadly Arts: Power and Expertise.
• Critical Strikes: Precision and Prowess.
• Shadow Arts: Toughness and Compassion.
• Acrobatics: Vitality and Concentration.
• Trickery: Malice and Cunning.

Ranger

• Marksmanship: Power and Expertise.
• Skirmishing: Precision and Prowess.
• Wilderness Survival: Toughness and Malice.
• Nature Magic: Vitality and Concentration.
• Beastmastery: Compassion and Empathy.

Engineer

• Explosives: Power and Expertise.
• Firearms: Precision and Prowess.
• Inventions: Toughness and Compassion.
• Alchemy: Vitality and Concentration.
• Tools: Ingenuity and Malice.

Mesmer

• Domination: Power and Expertise.
• Dueling: Precision and Prowess.
• Chaos: Toughness and Concentration.
• Inspiration: Vitality and Compassion.
• Illusions: Malice and Guile.

Elementalist

• Fire Magic: Power and Expertise.
• Air Magic: Precision and Prowess.
• Earth Magic: Toughness and Malice.
• Water Magic: Vitality and Compassion.
• Arcane Power: Concentration and Intelligence.

Necromancer

• Spite: Power and Expertise.
• Curses: Precision and Malice.
• Death Magic: Toughness and Concentration.
• Blood Magic: Vitality and Compassion.
• Soul Reaping: Prowess and Hunger.

Minor Traits

Investing 5, 15, and 25 points in a single line will award the player a minor trait, which are unique bonuses that are dependent upon the number of points invested as well as the specific trait line in question. Think of these traits as a set of abilities that are designed to work well together and to help suggest a particular build or play style to the player.

For example, an engineer investing 25 points into the Tools trait line will receive one trait that will give him endurance whenever he uses a tool-belt skill, another trait that recharges all of his tool-belt skills when he reaches low health, and a third trait that gives him extra damage while at full endurance.

Major Traits

Investing 10, 20, and 30 points in a single line will unlock a major trait slot for the player. Each line has 12 different major traits that may be slotted into a major trait slot. These are major upgrades to player abilities and are designed to provide a lot of customization.

For example, a thief might slot a trait that drops a field of caltrops every time she dodges, or another trait that gives allies boons whenever she uses her Steal ability, or even another that gives her bonus damage whenever she flanks an enemy.

Training Manual

At level 11 you may obtain an adept’s training manual, then at 40 a master’s training manual, and at 60 a grandmaster’s training manual. The adept manual allows you to start spending trait points but caps the number of points in a line at 10. The master manual ups the cap to 20 points per line. The grandmaster manual allows you to completely fill a line with up to 30 points. Every time you use a training manual, you also receive a refund of all your trait points so you can experiment with your new options.

Re-Specializing

After a character has spent their trait points, they can visit a trainer to reset their traits and refund their previously spent points for a small fee.

We realized that an important part of building a character is some sense of permanence. With this new system, you are flexible enough to change if you really want to, but you should still feel like the choices you made matter while you are out adventuring or slogging your way through a dungeon. In competitive PvP, you have a separately saved trait build and can respec free of charge.

Bringing It All Together

Let’s take a closer look at a single trait line to get an idea of what pumping points into it is going to do.

Warrior Discipline — Each point put into this line will increase the warrior’s critical damage and burst-skill damage.

• 5 Points — Minor trait: gain adrenaline when swapping weapons.
• 10 points — Unlock the first major trait slot.
• 15 points —Minor trait: reduced weapon-swap cooldown.
• 20 points — Unlock the second major trait slot.
• 25 points —Minor trait: gain the Might boon when swapping weapons.
• 30 points — Unlock the final major trait slot.

Major Traits (For each of the three unlocked slots, the warrior may choose any of these):

• Gain adrenaline whenever killing an enemy.
• Reduced signet-recharge time.
• Movement skills break out of the Immobilize condition.
• Reduced burst-skill recharge time.
• Gain adrenaline when inflicting a critical hit with an axe skill.
• Increased movement speed while wielding a melee weapon.
• Reduced burst-skill adrenaline cost.
• Chance to rally whenever killing an enemy while under the effects of Vengeance.
• Improved critical chance for each full level of adrenaline.

As a player, the new trait system has made me think harder when building a character and has made me really excited every time I hit a level over 11.

For the first time, traits don’t feel like just a great theoretical idea. They feel like the system they were meant to be—one that makes my warrior mine. Do I put 30 points in Defense, 30 in Tactics, and 10 in Discipline, to maximize survivability and major traits? Maybe a less traditional build with 26 points in Strength, 26 in Mastery, and 18 in Discipline would work better for my play style. The choices are actually staggering at times, but don’t worry, you’ll have hundreds of hours to turn the knobs to your heart’s content.

My name is Jon Peters. I’m a human game designer.

This is my build.

Creo que esto resume todo:

[sheyla]

La verdad es con esos atributos, habra para hacerse millones de builds, a ver como queda esto

Para el que no sepa ingles, aqui les dejo la traducción:

http://www.guildwars2-online.com/not...s-y-atributos/


Aqui os dejo un programa, para ponerte los rasgos a tu antonjo:

http://www.gw2tools.com/

[TXinTXe]

Aqui os dejo un programa, para ponerte los rasgos a tu antonjo:

http://www.gw2tools.com/

http://www.gw2tools.com/#t-e-aafpp:aaa.aaa.Zaa.fbU.VbZ
jejejeje

En cuanto al articulo... anuncian que van a cobrar una pequeña cantidad por el reseteo de las traits (dinero del juego, claro) y la gente ya se pone a llorar:
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/forum/...45#post1167445

[Lindil]

Vayamos abriendo boca:

"Dipies" - http://www.gw2tools.com/#t-m-apfap:aaa.bdY.Xaa.aaa.XbY

"Supportheal" - http://www.gw2tools.com/#t-m-aafpp:aaa.aaa.Yaa.YbZ.WYZ

El Mesmer fue mi main en el GW y se por dónde van a ir los tiros. Como del Elementalista no tengo ni zorra de como funciona, dejo la posible build para cuando sepa algo más.

[Cotrof]

Dios que ganas de probar una de esas betas para ver todo el sistema de GW2 que tiene una pintaza que no veas se me hace la boca agua cada vez que leo y veo más y más sobre este juego. Ojalá pegue un buen pelotazo se lo merece la verdad, además lo que más me gusta es que voy a poder compatibilizar el tiempo con otros juegos sin preocuparme de tasas ni nada parecido.

Un Saludo.

[sheyla]

Pues a mi no me termina de chocar este nuevo sistema, si tiene una personalización brutal, pero ahora habra especs de full soporte, tanque y curas, entonces volvemos a lo mismo, con este sistema volvemos a la santisima trinidad que es lo que decian que no iba a haber desde un principio, entonces en que quedamos?

Ya me veo gente buscando lfg guardian espec heal o full guerrero tank

Mi spec mas o menos, sera esta:

http://www.gw2tools.com/#t-el-pkaak:YUc.YZa.aaa.aaa.bda

Y mi ladrona, k sera mi segundo pj sera algo asi, con pistolas y stealth ^^

http://www.gw2tools.com/#t-t-fpfak:Vaa.eUV.Uaa.aaa.dZa

[TXinTXe]

Nuevo programita mas completito:
http://gw2.luna-atra.fr/skills_tool/?lang=en

Pues a mi no me termina de chocar este nuevo sistema, si tiene una personalización brutal, pero ahora habra especs de full soporte, tanque y curas, entonces volvemos a lo mismo, con este sistema volvemos a la santisima trinidad que es lo que decian que no iba a haber desde un principio, entonces en que quedamos?

Ya me veo gente buscando lfg guardian espec heal o full guerrero tank

Tranqui, que simplemente por como gestiona el agro el juego eso no sera asi. Y las curas son lo suficientemente pequeñas como para que o te cuidas tu mismo de que no te arreen mucho y de curarte cuando te toque, o la palmaras fijo.

Una build de "curillas y soporte" con el ingeniero, muy mejorable supongo, pero hasta que no se pueda probar el juego y tal... :3
http://gw2.luna-atra.fr/skills_tool/...ajaqarb0b7b9be

[khazad]

Sheyla,la pregunta correcta,no es si habra roles,si no cuanto de definidos y obligatorios van a ser.Aunque dudo que tengamos el tipico tanke y healer de toda la vida,algo menos cantoso si que habra.Parece que casi todos haran de todo,habra clases que haran algo que los demas no puedan o lo haran mejor.Para que molestarse en diseñar clases,dotes,habilidades y hasta armas si no es asi.

Si 5 jugadores que se unen para hacer una mazmorra,sin mirar sus clases y especializaciones,pueden hacerlo igual de bien que otro grupo donde si lo hagan,para mi seria un exito.

[sheyla]

Si en eso tenis razón a ver como de definidos estan, y como bién dices fruin, con que cualquier clase en un grupo de 5 pueda pasarse la mazmorra, con eso me conformo.

Voy a probar ese nuevo tool, que tiene buena pinta, gracias txintxe

Anda este si que me mola más:

Elemental fire:
http://gw2.luna-atra.fr/skills_tool/...0a0h0i0k1c1g09

Ladron shadow support:

http://gw2.luna-atra.fr/skills_tool/...8f8l8s8u999c9n

[sheyla]

Eric Flanum ha aclarado un poco el tema de la santisima trinidad, ahora ya me quito de dudas.

Eric Flannum ha dejado dos mensajes bastante interesantes en Guild Wars 2 Guru, aquí y aquí.

''Los jugadores pueden crear una build que se asemeja a la trinidad, pero nunca podría ser realmente la trinidad. Por ejemplo, no puedes crear un sanador dedicado, no importa lo mucho que aumentes la parte de apoyo de tus rasgos. Cuando empiezas a experimentar encuentros bastante duros, no importa la cantidad de armadura y salud que tengas, nunca serás capaz de permanecer cara a cara por mucho tiempo frente a la mayoría de los enemigos a los que te enfrentarás. Debido a esto, incluso un grupo de 5 personas que dispone de 3 personajes centrados en el dps, uno de apoyo y otro que se lleva el mayor daño, jamás jugarás como un grupo estándar de la trinidad. Si los jugadores insisten en jugar como la típica trinidad podrían tener éxito en el contenido más fácil del juego, pero probablemente no puedan terminar una mazmorra en modo historia y mucho menos una mazmorra explorable o algunos de los eventos más fuertes en el juego.

Para profundizar un poco más en la respuesta que he dado, en realidad no importa qué profesión traigas. En el fin de semana beta jugué a través de la mazmorra con varios periodistas diferentes y conseguir hacerla nunca fue una cuestión de unir a determinadas profesiones o incluso cambiar las builds que la gente estaba usando. Cuando llegamos a un puesto, la gente cambiaba las armas y habilidades, pero nadie tuvo que ir especificamente para los rasgos. Yo estuve en grupos que arrasaron varias veces en el modo historia, pero estuve también en grupos que no lo consiguieron. Sólo con un grupo conseguí completar el modo explorable (arrasamos en ese). Todo se redujo a lo bien que nos habíamos coordinado y lo bien que respondimos a las situaciones que nos encontramos.

Por ejemplo, durante nuestras andanzas en el modo explorable creo que dos de los periodistas eran guerreros (uno puede que fuera guardián, estoy teniendo problemas para recordarlo), nuestro productor Chris Whiteside con un guardabosques, Izzy jugando un elementalista, y yo jugando un ingeniero. En diferentes momentos, Izzy era nuestro encargado de eliminar condiciones, nuestro debuffer, y nuestro "tanque" (cebo es un término más apropiado en realidad). Era nuestro jugador más importante porque era nuestro mejor jugador, pero también se dedicaba bastante al apoyo/curación. Lo importante de ese grupo era que todos hablábamos, coordinábamos nuestros esfuerzos y elaborábamos estrategias en conjunto. Esas estrategias en realidad nunca giraron en torno a unas habilidades específicas, sino más bien cosas como "Tenemos que eliminar condiciones" o "tenemos que insistir en acumular vulnerabilidad en este tío tanto como sea posible" o incluso "necesitamos que Izzy vaya y llame la atención, mientras que el resto de nosotros activa las trampas construidas en la zona para matar a las hordas de monstruos entrantes". Espero que ayude a arrojar algo de luz sobre cómo se juega el juego.''